2025 is the first year since 2011 where no MCU film finished in the global top-10 highest-grossing movies of the year — and Superman ended up as the highest-grossing comic book movie of 2025.
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FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-14 06:03
Congrats to Superman, at least. Had a ton of fun with that.
ender232025-12-14 07:35
Daemon slayer is made from a comic book lol. Manga is comics but in Asia.
DefiantTheLion2025-12-14 08:16
Its basically a whole chunk of a late/climactic arc of the series too, its the rough equivalent of Infinity War for one of the more popular series in the last decade.
Powerofx12025-12-14 06:03
I just know that mission: impossible will be out in a couple weeks because of Avatar
VelvetBongo2025-12-14 06:31
Avatar 3 goes No.2 on day one. Loved all but, in their own ways, but not seen Ne Zha 2 or Demon Slayer. Sure they earn their place.
It's very much glass half full or empty. It's a strong year for cinema and Sinners (my film of the year & listening to soundtrack still) is only 16th soon 17th.
Will be a different story next year with Spider-Man 4 and Avengers: Doomsday. Seems a bit harsh on Thunderbolts & Fantastic 4 cuz they were (imho) return to form for MCU delivering an at minimum 7/10 movie. Probably Disney+ hurting box office there.
albertcamusjr2025-12-14 06:57
MCU has a lot of brand rebuilding to do, probably have a chance with closing the door on phases 1-5, and doing a bigger reinvention of the IP for whatever they call what comes next. X-Men era, maybe.
IMO, they should focus on the 90s cartoons Fox titles and supplement with the most popular characters from the past 1-5 era.
They need to figure out how to _actually_ do smaller projects. Their Disney+ projects were mostly a distraction, but still incredibly expensive
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:01
I love the X-Men. I would love to see a great film with them.
But I'm not sure the X-Men are gonna dramatically change things. They aren't new. We've had X-Men films for the last 20 years and some of them have been good.
albertcamusjr2025-12-14 07:05
X-Men are also the best brand they have after Spider-Man, by far. Deadpool and Wolverine had the juice to get over a billion even after Wolverine was leaned on heavily as the main X-Men theatrical draw for the last 20 years. If they nailed the next X-Men movie, the following series could be a juggernaut. (Pun intended).
That said, I'm not sure the creative side has the sauce anymore.
eBICgamer20102025-12-14 07:20
>IMO, they should focus on the 90s cartoons Fox titles and supplement with the most popular characters from the past 1-5 era.
They need to lean into their current animated output and expand it so the audience will have something to tune into yearly. Plus video games.
It seems Marvel is learning somewhat by having Gambit appear in both '97 and D&W, and again with Tombstone in YFNSM and BND.
BLAGTIER2025-12-14 08:13
> IMO, they should focus on the 90s cartoons Fox titles
Spider-Man TAS still needs to find the real Mary Jane.
abellapa2025-12-14 07:28
Avatar isnt getting Over a 1B opening
Its not gonna get on the top 10 until christmas or the day after
sciencesold2025-12-14 07:38
Nah, it won't hit top 10 until after Jan 1
Sports101GAMING2025-12-14 06:04
Definitely sucks? But at the same time I think all the D+ shows have hurt there box office results. No one wants to 2-3 shows just to be able to watch the movie.
FewWatermelonlesson02025-12-14 06:06
The fandom keeps trying to deny it but even Feige himself admitted the homework perception hurt the franchise, which was part of the impetus for the overhaul at Marvel TV.
electrorazor2025-12-14 06:44
I honestly disagree hard. The problem wasn't homework, the problem is their projects weren't good and the overall storyline was not going anywhere. What's the point of Wandavision if Multiverse of Madness actively doesn't work character-wise with it. And No Way Home is completely unrelated. Shang Chi and Eternals teasing major stuff that we have no idea when it's paying off.
They had a formula that worked. Do individual projects, do event movie with crossovers, do individual projects again. After Endgame, they decided to just do random shit, with many characters appearing and never showing up again. (Rip Moon Knight)
Biden2028-2025-12-14 06:10
1 movie has been affected by D+ shows, Marvels. And in that they bring you up to date on who Kamala is. There isn’t another movie where seeing a D+ show is required.
Applejack_pleb2025-12-14 06:12
And yet there is a perception that you need to.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 06:18
So then how does a studio debunk false perceptions?
matty_nice2025-12-14 06:56
Seperate the two as much as you can.
Specifically, don't introduce a movie character in a tv show (US Agent, Ms Marvel).
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:07
That's a proactive approach to *preventing* false perceptions, which is no longer applicable since the false perceptions have already spread. We need a way to debunk *existing* false perceptions.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:12
Not really sure what that means. Lol.
Based on the current shows and films in production, seems like Marvel is taking the right approach. Ms Marvel better not be front and center in Doomsday.
Post SW, we will just have to see what Marvel does.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:16
> Not really sure what that means.
You know how when Grace Randolph makes crap up about James Gunn films, he directly & publicly states that she's making crap up instead of letting the false rumor spread unchecked?
I'm saying Marvel Studios needs that.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:18
So you're comparing an online rumor person vs a director/studio head?
Don't think Marvel can go agains the fans. That's a losing battle. Feige just gonna call the casual audience idiots?
Just let things reset and cool off.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:25
Where the hell did you think false perceptions came from? It's almost always fantheories or unsourced rumors that get shared as absolute fact. That'll keep happening even if they reset.
You don't have to call anyone an idiot to say "this thing going around isn't true."
eagc72025-12-14 07:17
Would be best if they introduce the character first in a movie, then spin them off on their own show (Provided that they don't pull a WandaVision in where events of the show is essential to their next film appearance), that way the movie only audience already got introduced to the character and the essentials that they need to know.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:22
Think there's two main ways.
Introduce the character in the movie first, then give them a tv spin off. But the series can't have a major impact on the movie character. Hawkeye was in the movies, he can have his own little spin off adventure tv show (ie the Hawkeye show).
Keep them completey seperate. Introduce a character in a tv show, but they don't have an impact on the movies. Moon Knight was fine as a tv character.
Shows that followed this formula? Hawkeye, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, Echo, Daredevil Born Again, Ironheart.
Shows that did not? WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Solider, Loki, Ms Marvel.
The Marvels could have introduced us to Photon and Ms Marvel, THEN give us the Ms Marvel tv show.
eBICgamer20102025-12-14 06:14
Biden2028-2025-12-14 06:15
1 D+ character in a movie full of movie side characters isn’t a big deal. And again they bring you up to speed on who he is
eBICgamer20102025-12-14 06:20
You missed Kevin Feige's quote blaming D+ for the failure of Thunderbolts.
["Thunderbolts* I thought was a very, very good movie," Feige said. "But nobody knew that title and many of those characters were from a [TV] show. Some [audiences] were still feeling that notion of, 'I guess I had to have seen these other shows to understand who this is.' If you actually saw the movie, that wouldn't be the case, and we make the movie so that's not the case. But I think we still have to make sure the audience understands that."](https://www.ign.com/articles/marvel-boss-kevin-feige-praises-james-gunns-superman-as-proof-theres-no-superhero-fatigue-and-blames-thunderbolts-failure-on-its-characters-mostly-coming-from-disney-tv-shows)
Biden2028-2025-12-14 08:23
I know he said that, I don’t think that is right. 1 character in the group was from D+. Movie problem was it’s a group of side characters/villains, not D+.
Sattu102025-12-14 06:27
Multiverse of Madness. Bro keeps increasing movies by 1 D+
Biden2028-2025-12-14 08:26
No one complained when that came out. You know Wanda is probably a mess due to Vision’s death, any confusion about why she has kids didn’t affect it at all. WandaVision was the biggest show anyway
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-14 07:12
"Kids? Since when did Wanda have kids? What the hell is she talking about?"
Casual fans' reaction to Doctor Strange 2. And good luck to those casual fans when Doomsday introduces Time God Loki to them.
abellapa2025-12-14 07:30
You dont need to watch Multiple shows for the movies
OogieBoogieInnocence2025-12-14 06:06
superman was awesome well deserved placement, super cool about demon slayer too
Kronman5902025-12-14 06:38
Wish it was chainsaw man up there instead man that movie was an experience
Haise012025-12-14 07:34
yeah I've seen it a few days ago, it's amazing
DefiantTheLion2025-12-14 08:12
BEAAAAAAAAM
DarthTaz_992025-12-14 06:53
Im a dc fan and enjoyed superman a lot but my favorite movie of the year was probably F1, deserved top 10 finish. Insane theatre experience, and that soundtrack was just 🤌. Hope we get the cruise x pitt racing movie
SeekerVash2025-12-14 06:06
I think it's important to be very specific here.
2025 is the first year since 2011 when no MCU movie has finished in the top 10, even though Disney released *three* MCU movies.
That does not bode well for Doomsday.
Linnus422025-12-14 06:22
I mean that is why RDJ and the Russos are Back. Plus allegedly Chris Evans.
Cause Kevin doesn’t trust that the F4, TBolts and whatever Avengers that Sam scraps together can carry things.
electrorazor2025-12-14 06:47
F4 and Thunderbolts paid for the heavy sins of 2022-2023 Marvel.
Doomsday is coming off of those two well received movies, plus Spiderman, plus nostalgia hype.
SeekerVash2025-12-14 07:22
They were well received by dedicated MCU fans.
The General Audience didn't show up for either. The box office was terrible for Thunderbolts, not good for Fantastic 4, and we learned this week that the viewership for F4 on Disney+ is very low.
I don't think either of those got them anywhere with the General Audience.
Ragnarok_6192025-12-14 07:35
The viewership of Thunderbolts and FF were really low, lower than Brave New World. That's utterly shameful
Ragnarok_6192025-12-14 07:34
Can people stop glazing Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four, please? They weren't great movies, and yes, compared to anything in the 2022-2024 phase, even Thor 2 would look like a masterpiece.
Both the movies suffered from horrible pacing, inconsistent stakes, and in case of Fantastic Four, completely butchering a God-level villain to a Saturday Morning cartoon chump.
Plus, people going gaga over Thunderbolts mental health, Marvel has made better movies on these topics that have actually addressed the said mental struggles (Iron Man 3, Wandavision)
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-14 07:15
Doomsday is one year for release. Marketing will kick into high gear next week with the trailers and it will ramp up.
The final poster will have Tobey Spidey, Jackman Wolverine, Deadpool, Reed Richards, Evans Cap, Thor, and Robert Downey Jr Doom (maskless, small scar) as the big 7 characters.
DeferredFuture2025-12-14 07:21
This year had a new (unpopular) cap leading a film, a movie with D+ characters, and a new (successful) team.
Doomsday will be just fine. Once those trailers come out I doubt anyone will be saying it’s going to fail
nicolasb519420032025-12-14 06:08
I thought we weren’t gonna have any superhero film in the top ten this year, but Wicked: For Good is dropping fast. So congrats to Superman for sticking in the top ten.
Linnus422025-12-14 06:20
Yeah wasn’t sure Superman could hold on but seems like it will finish in 10th.
600 mil was the bar for Top 10. MCU had three shots and failed to reach.
Swoah2025-12-14 06:15
Competition is good. I hope both franchises excel
Dragon_yum2025-12-14 08:35
It is obvious marvel has gotten complacent after endgame breaking all the records and the quality has really suffered from it. It seems they learned the lesson but I am honestly not sure it’s not too late.
The next few movies will need to be nothing less than spectacular.
Random4992025-12-14 08:44
It is how Disney operates. Release a few bangers then ride the hype while releasing mediocre stuff. They did the same with star wars
NoiceM8_4202025-12-14 06:18
Oh god, they’re going to keep pumping out Jurassic movies now aren’t they.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 06:22
At least that debunks the "money = quality" narrative that the doomsayers like to throw around.
igby12025-12-14 06:26
I’m done after the last one with ScarJo. It was so blah. I have no better word than blah to describe it.
electrorazor2025-12-14 06:36
The word I would use to describe it, is fun. Pretty much exactly what I want from a dinosaur movie. The dad and his daughter's boyfriend was the highlight
drst0ner2025-12-14 07:39
The most fun part was how a candy bar wrapper was responsible for unleashing the hybrid-monster-dinosaurs upon the island.
I hope the sequels incorporate more rouge candy bars!
_Levitated_Shield_2025-12-14 08:35
I thought it was okay. I just really hated the unnecessary "yeeeeeeah, so uh, dinos are going extinct again" retcon. :/
AdultSWIMDeep2025-12-14 06:51
Can't wait for the next Jurassic Park movie to come and try to replicate the magic of the original film like they've been trying to do since The Lost World, but instead the franchise progressively gets stupider and more nonsensical with it's stories and characters.
_Levitated_Shield_2025-12-14 08:33
but but but david will fix the franchise!
Prozium2432025-12-14 06:56
Though it doesn't have the quality and emotional connection of the original Jurassic Park, somehow, the ScarJo movie was decent fun (or probably the expectations were quite low). Yes you still have 2 disconnected stories about a family and about mercenaries going on. Scarlett, Mahershala, and Jonathan Bailey have enough acting chops and charisma to carry the franchise and even the family actors were good. In fact one of the most surprising parts was making the funny high on weed boyfriend having that emotional discussion with the girl dad and telling the dad how he feels his daughter deserves someone better than himself.
Burgundymmm2025-12-14 06:57
Live action HTTYD did great too, looking forward to live action Shrek in the next few years.
iced_gold2025-12-14 08:43
I'm really confused how that movie made 860 million and I haven't heard a single positive review or summary from anyone anywhere.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 09:45
It was better than Fallen Kingdom or Dominion were, but the problem is that those two were so bad that *they* shouldn't have been profitable enough for Rebirth to even get made.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 06:20
I'm getting deja vu; didn't we have this exact thread a couple days ago?
Fortunately, even though Marvel didn't make the top 10, this year was an effective rebuilding year: They got budgets down on BNW, they got reviews up on Thunderbolts, & they got back to profit again on First Steps. Then next year, Spider-Man should help warm people up for Doomsday.
HugCor2025-12-14 07:04
Wait, Deadpool 3 didn't give them profits? That one was last year and did over 1 billion.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:09
It did, but some people try to claim that "didn't count" because it was an X-Men film.
Ghetto_Phenom2025-12-14 09:45
Ehh I think the claim was more so it was Wolverine with Hugh that made the money not that it was X-Men they really only had the B-List Xmen in for cameos minus the main 5 and Cassandra.
HugCor2025-12-14 18:11
That is nonsense though, since the movie was promoted as MCU and depicted a lot of MCU multiversal nonsense.
Also, the average movie goer doesn't really bother to tell apart the different marvel productions. Know a bunch of people who get dizzy when you tell them that ones are for Sony, others for fox and others for disney. To them, it is Marvel and DC.
Besides, outside of Deadpool, X Men movies weren't doing that hot after apocalypse on average.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 18:56
I know it's nonsense, but the people who use that argument need to be cut off before they make progress.
eagc72025-12-14 07:14
Yeah this was already pointed out earlier
Jajaloo2025-12-14 06:20
Beijing Enlight sounds like a division of The Sheinhardt Wig Company.
deadlyghost1232025-12-14 06:22
Isn’t Demon Slayer a comic book movie as well? So that would be the highest grossing CBM
DefiantTheLion2025-12-14 08:18
Sorta, it is better known from the animated adaptation which has notoriously excellent animation for the genre.
rocker20142025-12-14 06:28
And honestly, it's too bad because both Thunderbolts* and Fantastic Four: First Steps were great. Both deserved better box office performances in my opinion.
napoelonDynaMighty2025-12-14 06:28
Good... Nature is healing
jrodfantastic2025-12-14 06:28
Probably because F4 was bad
NamelessOne30062025-12-14 06:37
Actually Demon Slayers is the highest-grossing comic book movie.
Wiggles19142025-12-14 06:42
Crazy WB have 3/10 but are being sold to Netflix.
ChainChompBigMoney2025-12-14 06:54
Also the top two oscar contenders with One Battle After Another and Sinners. Plus Weapons. Really sucks they are getting slopped up by netflix.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:03
WBD was in such a bad spot movie wise, but they really embraced the creator driven films. To the point where Sinners and One Battle After Another were considered to be huge risks financially.
People thought Sinnesrs would not be profitable.
OBAA is going to flop.
Embracing creators seems to be the way to go. WB, Universal, and even Paramount are doing that. But not Disney.
queerhistorynerd2025-12-14 06:42
While Demon Slayer is based on manga I think it qualifies as the highest grossing comic book movie of the year
Disastrous_clarR2025-12-14 06:45
How did “How to Train your Dragon” make it that high. Isn’t it just a rehash of the animated movie?
eagc72025-12-14 07:13
I mean you could say the same for any live action remake.
Adorable_Ad_34782025-12-14 07:16
Nostalgia. Same for Stitch.
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:19
Because of bias against animation.
Earthwick2025-12-14 06:45
Yikes look at all those terrible movies in the top 10
Ragnarok_6192025-12-14 07:37
Yet no space for Marvel's terrible movies this year
_GrimFandango2025-12-14 06:47
is the "ne zha 2" numbers legit?
pokeboy6262025-12-14 07:06
Probably not
Citizen_Kano2025-12-14 06:49
F4, Thunderbolts & Cap 4 weren't the best MCU movies, but they were all better than Jurassic World Rebirth (yeah even Cap 4)
Afraid-Housing-68542025-12-14 06:51
How is a random Chinese movie that nobody talks about at number 1?
matty_nice2025-12-14 06:56
A lot of people in China.
icorrectpettydetails2025-12-14 07:28
The Chinese Market is 1) huge, and 2) exclusive. Western movies have a much harder time getting released there, so if the only movies showing in China are domestic releases, that's gonna tip the scales in their favour.
DefiantTheLion2025-12-14 08:15
What thebother guys said but also apparently its pretty good? So like people going repeat times, in China
SuperKeith882025-12-14 06:51
Superman deserves all the success this year. But the biggest winner of the year belongs to "Ne Zha 2". China beat Hollywood! Haha!
clothy2025-12-14 06:53
Make way for Avatar
ugluk-the-uruk2025-12-14 06:54
Wonder how high Kpop Demon Hunters would've placed if it had a theatrical release.
FreeStall422025-12-14 06:55
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Samhunt9092025-12-14 08:44
You in marvel sub lil bro.
matty_nice2025-12-14 06:58
None of this is surprising.
But I do wonder how Disney really feels about all of this. Marvel's had a lot of excuses (maybe valid, maybe not), but the end result isn't good. How long of leash does Feige have?
I am surprised that Feige doesn't get any blame.
eagc72025-12-14 07:12
The executives are more putting blame on Chapek (though Iger was the one who caused the issue that most blame Chapek on) in that Disney asked for quantity over quality, and that's what they did, Feige got spread to thin that leashes had to be let go on some directors instead of having someone tell them no and so on.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:16
Feige, Chapek, and Iger were all on the same page about putting out these shows and movies. Executives aren't idiots, they know what happened. Also remember that Chapek got fired at the end of 2022, and he lost power long before that. It's about to be 2026. Blaming the guy that no longer works there only lasts for so long.
Iger will get replaced soon, and his replacement will bring in new people. Him leaving after Secret Wars would make a lot of sense.
We got one film last year, and that was supposed to be the time these other films got fixed. The 2025 films were supposed to be reset, where Feige was no longer spread thin. And they still failed. So what's the excuse now?
eagc72025-12-14 07:22
Yeah, i mean Wonder Man is the last show greenlight when Chapek was still in charge (granted it was filmed after he got the boot), so 2026-2027 is gonna be the test to see if Feige's still got it, as now we are reachinng the projects that they greenlight or reworked post-Chapek.
I think executives are gonna give Feige a pass for the 2023-2025 projects since most of them are left overs from that era when Disney was concerned about delivering too much, regardless if they started production after Chapek or not (Like take Ironheart that was supposed to release in 2023, as a huge majority of the 2024-2025 were supposed to release in 2023 but were spread out for 2 years for one reason or another) with Daredevil being the only "new non-Chapek era" project since that was reworked.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:26
So Feige gets a pass for stuff between 2020 and 2025? Which is basically a 1/3 of his tenture at Marvel? Seems like a lot.
> now we are reachinng the projects that they greenlight or reworked post-Chapek.
I just don't know where you draw the line. FFFS and Thunderbolts weren't post Chapek?
And I'll just assume that Vision Quest or Daredevil Born Again Season 2 aren't gonna be huge hits.
eagc72025-12-14 07:36
Yeah Disney's doesn't want to pit the blame on either Iger or Feige, its Chapek this, Chapek that. Or we just focused on too much content in general.
If barring Wonder Man, 2026-2027 is still meh, yeah you cannot blame Chapek anymore Disney. What's the excuse now if Born Again S2, VisionQuest, Brand New Day, Doomsday or Secret Wars get mixed to negative reception? Chapek cannot be blamed for those, Disney.
With FF that you can 100% argue its an Iger-era project since that was greenlight in 2019, now Thunderbolts, that started development during the Chapek era, though production wouldn't start until after he left, it seems Disney/Marvel does consider certain projects to be "Chapek" era projects or at least projects that were greenlight for the sake of quantity even if it was filmed/released after they realized that they fucked up, i remember Iger counting Agatha as a project from that era where they were more concerned about content (This was before of course the show blew up) and even Brad Winderbaum talked about Wonder Man still being a renmant of that era before they did a complete overhaul on the TV corner. But i do think you could argue Thunderbolts doesn't count since you know the strikes and we know they did some changes before they started filming.
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:55
> With FF that you can 100% argue its an Iger-era project since that was greenlight in 2019
Secret Wars was announced in 2022. Can I 100% argue that it's a Chapek-era project since it was greenlit in 2022?
I hope you realize how this doesn't make sense. Lol.
Chapek isn't the one making these film decisions. He's not hiring the writer or director, or even involved in casting. He's not even a movie guy, since he was from the Parks division.
Chapek, Iger, and Feige were involved in the decision to put out the shows. Which was always going to happen since D+ is important to the company and they need original content. Other than that, Chapek wasn't really invovled with the movie stuff.
Feige has talked about putting out 3 to 4 movies a year long before Chapek was around. Chapek wasn't the one telling Marvel not to hire showrunners or to put out The Marvels. Chapek wasn't the one to say to kill off Iron Man and replace Captain America. Chapek wasn't saying let's make a Thunderbolts film. Those were all Feige.
BrunsonBurner992025-12-14 07:02
Doomsday will break this
deez-nuts-are_nuts2025-12-14 07:07
Do people not give af about marvel these days because of their recent movies
matty_nice2025-12-14 07:33
People don't seem to care for a lot of reasons.
Giving us popular characters would probably help a lot.
Ragnarok_6192025-12-14 07:41
Sadly, that's true. Marvel started burning a lot of goodwill starting from 2021, and it showed up in 2025 (not that the movies were any good, but could have cracked 600+ if the goodwill persisted )
Ordinary-Chain-80472025-12-14 07:08
Tf even is Ne Zha 2? Sounds like something Jarr Jarr Binks would say
CaptHayfever2025-12-14 07:21
It's the sequel to Ne Zha. (It's a Chinese animated film. Absolutely dominated there for the first half of the year, despite not doing much anywhere else.)
TheDeflatables2025-12-14 07:21
Dude...
Jealous-Tip-63322025-12-14 07:16
Kinda annoyed Superman only made 616 million USD, it could easily have made more if the other side of the "DC fanbase" weren't such assholes, it was genuinely a refresher from superhero movies of old imo.
Samhunt9092025-12-14 08:46
I mean let’s be honest here..supes ip in movie never really high amount of money. It shouldn’t really be annoying when it’s reality
Jealous-Tip-63322025-12-14 08:58
The entire point of something being annoying is that it's real, like it's annoying that there are still dictators running around or whatever.
MarvelMind2025-12-14 08:06
Doubt Disney cares when Doomsday will be smashing records a year from now and Avatar is about to also just obliterate box office numbers. Then in 2027 Secret Wars will also make billions. It’s 2028 they will need an MCU plan after they are once again done for a while with Avengers sequels.
jddev_2025-12-14 08:25
Well they only had BNW and Thunderbolts this year. Both films with none of the characters we want to follow in Phase whatever we're on now: Dr Strange, Shang Chi, or Star Lord.
Hell, I would even watch a team up with just the three of them: Masters of the Mystic Arts.
Strange: Magic
Shang Chi: Magic Fighting
Star Lord: Dance Fighting-- also he's half celestial.
BlazingInfernape20032025-12-14 08:44
Idk if manga counts as a comic book, but if so then Demon Slayer is the highest grossing CBM
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It's very much glass half full or empty. It's a strong year for cinema and Sinners (my film of the year & listening to soundtrack still) is only 16th soon 17th.
Will be a different story next year with Spider-Man 4 and Avengers: Doomsday. Seems a bit harsh on Thunderbolts & Fantastic 4 cuz they were (imho) return to form for MCU delivering an at minimum 7/10 movie. Probably Disney+ hurting box office there.
IMO, they should focus on the 90s cartoons Fox titles and supplement with the most popular characters from the past 1-5 era.
They need to figure out how to _actually_ do smaller projects. Their Disney+ projects were mostly a distraction, but still incredibly expensive
But I'm not sure the X-Men are gonna dramatically change things. They aren't new. We've had X-Men films for the last 20 years and some of them have been good.
That said, I'm not sure the creative side has the sauce anymore.
They need to lean into their current animated output and expand it so the audience will have something to tune into yearly. Plus video games.
It seems Marvel is learning somewhat by having Gambit appear in both '97 and D&W, and again with Tombstone in YFNSM and BND.
Spider-Man TAS still needs to find the real Mary Jane.
Its not gonna get on the top 10 until christmas or the day after
They had a formula that worked. Do individual projects, do event movie with crossovers, do individual projects again. After Endgame, they decided to just do random shit, with many characters appearing and never showing up again. (Rip Moon Knight)
Specifically, don't introduce a movie character in a tv show (US Agent, Ms Marvel).
Based on the current shows and films in production, seems like Marvel is taking the right approach. Ms Marvel better not be front and center in Doomsday.
Post SW, we will just have to see what Marvel does.
You know how when Grace Randolph makes crap up about James Gunn films, he directly & publicly states that she's making crap up instead of letting the false rumor spread unchecked?
I'm saying Marvel Studios needs that.
Don't think Marvel can go agains the fans. That's a losing battle. Feige just gonna call the casual audience idiots?
Just let things reset and cool off.
You don't have to call anyone an idiot to say "this thing going around isn't true."
Introduce the character in the movie first, then give them a tv spin off. But the series can't have a major impact on the movie character. Hawkeye was in the movies, he can have his own little spin off adventure tv show (ie the Hawkeye show).
Keep them completey seperate. Introduce a character in a tv show, but they don't have an impact on the movies. Moon Knight was fine as a tv character.
Shows that followed this formula? Hawkeye, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, Echo, Daredevil Born Again, Ironheart.
Shows that did not? WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Solider, Loki, Ms Marvel.
The Marvels could have introduced us to Photon and Ms Marvel, THEN give us the Ms Marvel tv show.
["Thunderbolts* I thought was a very, very good movie," Feige said. "But nobody knew that title and many of those characters were from a [TV] show. Some [audiences] were still feeling that notion of, 'I guess I had to have seen these other shows to understand who this is.' If you actually saw the movie, that wouldn't be the case, and we make the movie so that's not the case. But I think we still have to make sure the audience understands that."](https://www.ign.com/articles/marvel-boss-kevin-feige-praises-james-gunns-superman-as-proof-theres-no-superhero-fatigue-and-blames-thunderbolts-failure-on-its-characters-mostly-coming-from-disney-tv-shows)
Casual fans' reaction to Doctor Strange 2. And good luck to those casual fans when Doomsday introduces Time God Loki to them.
2025 is the first year since 2011 when no MCU movie has finished in the top 10, even though Disney released *three* MCU movies.
That does not bode well for Doomsday.
Cause Kevin doesn’t trust that the F4, TBolts and whatever Avengers that Sam scraps together can carry things.
Doomsday is coming off of those two well received movies, plus Spiderman, plus nostalgia hype.
The General Audience didn't show up for either. The box office was terrible for Thunderbolts, not good for Fantastic 4, and we learned this week that the viewership for F4 on Disney+ is very low.
I don't think either of those got them anywhere with the General Audience.
Both the movies suffered from horrible pacing, inconsistent stakes, and in case of Fantastic Four, completely butchering a God-level villain to a Saturday Morning cartoon chump.
Plus, people going gaga over Thunderbolts mental health, Marvel has made better movies on these topics that have actually addressed the said mental struggles (Iron Man 3, Wandavision)
The final poster will have Tobey Spidey, Jackman Wolverine, Deadpool, Reed Richards, Evans Cap, Thor, and Robert Downey Jr Doom (maskless, small scar) as the big 7 characters.
Doomsday will be just fine. Once those trailers come out I doubt anyone will be saying it’s going to fail
600 mil was the bar for Top 10. MCU had three shots and failed to reach.
The next few movies will need to be nothing less than spectacular.
I hope the sequels incorporate more rouge candy bars!
Fortunately, even though Marvel didn't make the top 10, this year was an effective rebuilding year: They got budgets down on BNW, they got reviews up on Thunderbolts, & they got back to profit again on First Steps. Then next year, Spider-Man should help warm people up for Doomsday.
Also, the average movie goer doesn't really bother to tell apart the different marvel productions. Know a bunch of people who get dizzy when you tell them that ones are for Sony, others for fox and others for disney. To them, it is Marvel and DC.
Besides, outside of Deadpool, X Men movies weren't doing that hot after apocalypse on average.
People thought Sinnesrs would not be profitable.
OBAA is going to flop.
Embracing creators seems to be the way to go. WB, Universal, and even Paramount are doing that. But not Disney.
But I do wonder how Disney really feels about all of this. Marvel's had a lot of excuses (maybe valid, maybe not), but the end result isn't good. How long of leash does Feige have?
I am surprised that Feige doesn't get any blame.
Iger will get replaced soon, and his replacement will bring in new people. Him leaving after Secret Wars would make a lot of sense.
We got one film last year, and that was supposed to be the time these other films got fixed. The 2025 films were supposed to be reset, where Feige was no longer spread thin. And they still failed. So what's the excuse now?
I think executives are gonna give Feige a pass for the 2023-2025 projects since most of them are left overs from that era when Disney was concerned about delivering too much, regardless if they started production after Chapek or not (Like take Ironheart that was supposed to release in 2023, as a huge majority of the 2024-2025 were supposed to release in 2023 but were spread out for 2 years for one reason or another) with Daredevil being the only "new non-Chapek era" project since that was reworked.
> now we are reachinng the projects that they greenlight or reworked post-Chapek.
I just don't know where you draw the line. FFFS and Thunderbolts weren't post Chapek?
And I'll just assume that Vision Quest or Daredevil Born Again Season 2 aren't gonna be huge hits.
If barring Wonder Man, 2026-2027 is still meh, yeah you cannot blame Chapek anymore Disney. What's the excuse now if Born Again S2, VisionQuest, Brand New Day, Doomsday or Secret Wars get mixed to negative reception? Chapek cannot be blamed for those, Disney.
With FF that you can 100% argue its an Iger-era project since that was greenlight in 2019, now Thunderbolts, that started development during the Chapek era, though production wouldn't start until after he left, it seems Disney/Marvel does consider certain projects to be "Chapek" era projects or at least projects that were greenlight for the sake of quantity even if it was filmed/released after they realized that they fucked up, i remember Iger counting Agatha as a project from that era where they were more concerned about content (This was before of course the show blew up) and even Brad Winderbaum talked about Wonder Man still being a renmant of that era before they did a complete overhaul on the TV corner. But i do think you could argue Thunderbolts doesn't count since you know the strikes and we know they did some changes before they started filming.
Secret Wars was announced in 2022. Can I 100% argue that it's a Chapek-era project since it was greenlit in 2022?
I hope you realize how this doesn't make sense. Lol.
Chapek isn't the one making these film decisions. He's not hiring the writer or director, or even involved in casting. He's not even a movie guy, since he was from the Parks division.
Chapek, Iger, and Feige were involved in the decision to put out the shows. Which was always going to happen since D+ is important to the company and they need original content. Other than that, Chapek wasn't really invovled with the movie stuff.
Feige has talked about putting out 3 to 4 movies a year long before Chapek was around. Chapek wasn't the one telling Marvel not to hire showrunners or to put out The Marvels. Chapek wasn't the one to say to kill off Iron Man and replace Captain America. Chapek wasn't saying let's make a Thunderbolts film. Those were all Feige.
Giving us popular characters would probably help a lot.
Hell, I would even watch a team up with just the three of them: Masters of the Mystic Arts.
Strange: Magic
Shang Chi: Magic Fighting
Star Lord: Dance Fighting-- also he's half celestial.
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